It can give you a little boost at the most. Moreover, at least 7 of the T14 admitted transfers from T3/4 law schools. Just as a reminder, I am seriously pulling this out of the back of my head based on what I have seen. - Official Undergraduate Transcripts (and any non-law school/graduate school transcripts) - LSDAS Report and the $12 fee - 1st Year Law School Transcript (w/ class rank) - Dean’s Certificate/Letter of Good Standing. On the other hand, taking in greater debt is risky so people who want to transfer may take the scholarship at the old school. I have heard all sorts of stories. If you do it during the semester, just go to office hours (alone) and ask them for the LOR. Statistically, it is hard to bank on being in the top 10% especially with all the uncertainty of law school. Lastly, Washington University St. Louis’ EA option has been dumped (formerly due March 31). In fact, my guess is that your 1st year grades and the rank of your current law school account for 90-95% of your decision at most schools. - Because sometimes, you might not be able to do OCI at your new school. How do transfers generally fare at their new school grade-wise? November 7, 2014 by Ashley Kirkwood 3 Comments. I did not go to office hours just to get LORs, I had real questions to ask (and I hope you will too). I bet most of them have this secret yearning and would go there in a heartbeat if they could. Some do not even address why they want to transfer and still do fine (not every school inquires for your reasons for transferring, especially since it is usually kind of obvious). During office hours, you will ask productive questions AND bond with the professor by asking some non-law questions (about their background or their career paths). transferring law schools (1 Viewer) Thread starter RAJRAJRAJA; Start date 5 minutes ago; R. RAJRAJRAJA New Member. When reviewing your transfer application, law schools will no longer look as much on your undergraduate GPA, class rank, or even your LSAT … Seriously. In addition, you can just send them an email asking them to meet and say you want to go over exams or something (if you do not want to bring up the transferring issue over the phone/email). Berkeley saves about 5 spots and Loyola saves about 6 spots. I also used one paragraph about my background from my old PS (from when I first applied to law school) as part of my new transfer PS. Yes, this does exist and is a fairly recent phenomenon from what I hear. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. So many of you are gearing up for your very first semester of law school. - being accepted so early gives more preparation time for an easier transition to the new school - gives more peace of mind, especially for spring finals - you can participate in the new school’s regular law review write on competition in May instead of the special one in September for transfers (or… you might even be able to try law review twice if you fail the first time in May) - easier to get LORs during the year than during the summer since professors are still around and have office hours - the decision is not binding (except for Chicago), you can still apply to other schools even if you get in (but you would have to put down a seat deposit then withdraw the application later) - you would technically already have acceptances before the regular cycle as a backup - you might be able to negotiate for a scholarship at your current law school much earlier when they have more money still - it also might be slightly easier to get in since you are applying early and the transfer class has not been filled yet, - you have to be fairly certain you want to go to the school, since they usually require you to put down a seat deposit of $500 within a month of accepting you (long before the deadlines for normal transfers) - really only limited to the schools listed above (and just Chicago and Georgetown in the T14) - doing this all during spring semester means you jeopardize spring semester grades, which are still important for fall OCI - you also have less time to write your PS and get LORs during the school year so the quality of your application may suffer, plus you will likely be looking for a 1L summer job which also takes up time - you also have fewer professors to ask for LORs (as you would depend mostly on fall 1L professors), and it would might be weird to ask your spring semester professors for LORs to transfer before you get a grade in their class (which will likely be good considering your 1st semester performance) - your second semester grades may be even better - this is obviously not indicative of anything, but very few people do early action transferring (probably because they do not know about it). Georgetown, due March 16 55. Berkeley 10 years ago took 10-15 transfers. Recommended Articles. In addition, the internet (with places like TLS) has made transferring seem commonplace while also making the non-top law schools look bad. Professors are duty-bound by the school to try and keep good students. Taking in transfers allows law schools to 1) cherry pick top students from other schools and eliminate competition, 2) take in smart people without worrying about LSAT/uGPA, and 3) take in students who pay full tuition, and 4) take in students with a good 1L year which is a better predictor of success. As you can see, the lowest median "transfer in" GPA is at Cornell Law School, which only enrolled 7 transfers. VI. Academic performance in law school is a critical consideration in the admissions process. Oh and I want to give a special thanks to Loyola Law School, the professors, the administration, and everyone there who has been very supportive and helpful in my transferring decision. Second, there’s no doubt about it, you need to crush your 1L exams if you want to transfer to a T14 law school. He was very happy to help me out. Also, I seriously have never heard of anyone doing lateral transfers or transfers down via the early action process. You want to give the professor time to “judge you.” There are too many stories of students trying to catch professors by email or phone and getting ignored. On the other hand, if your professor has taught at your school for 20 years, he or she may be more attached to the school. However, the prestige of your undergrad education may also give you a small boost (only if it is really up there). There are the technical elements, sure: certain methods and steps must be … are just far too common and do not really add much to your application. What are my chances? Therefore, if the new school also allows them to do OCI, they are not able to interview again (aka twice). Can you contact him or her if problems arise? On one hand, people may want to transfer to lower their risks of not getting a job as the recession forces jobs towards the better schools. Now, if you have truly COMPELLING reasons for transferring (like your wife and kids are over in that area or your slowly dying parents are in that city), then I would guess that it may give you a medium boost if you mention it in your personal statement. Even at my T2 school, my classmates were worried about an incoming class of 40 transfers (from T3/T4’s) and how they might screw up the curves and hog interviews. Stanford ~12 (TLS forum users DarlayBoo, MarkTwain, and jwbayou5 say it is more like 16-20, but it will likely be cut down back to 12) 4. Please welcome back Ashley Kirkwood, with more on the logistics of the law school transfer process. I did my financial aid at the usual time (I think in January). I will try to comment on some common softs and questions. I personally did not talk about transferring with my professors, mostly because of strong anti-transferring policies at the time. You would have to be insane to do their law review when you have not been accepted into their law school. Ultimately, whether you stay or go is a personal decision. Thus, their claims that you can do law review are kind of unrealistic. hi everyone, i got into MQ com/law and really want to get into USYD com/law next year. However, these questions pop up all the time (you know what I am talking about, the "should I go to this T14 vs. stay at my old school" threads), so I will try to address what I have seen and what I think you should do. Emory ~30 20. My guess is that it is becoming slightly more competitive; after all, law school admissions have, in general, become more competitive. Before you decide to apply, you also have to figure out your chances. Extracurricular Activities/Work Experience: Leadership always looks great, and the fact that you can participate in clubs and do well shows a lot. Georgetown Law is at the top of this list, it typically takes around 100 transfer students a year! Personal Statementtions IX. III. You have all asked for LORs before, and I would say this is a lot easier to do than the PS. My guess is that this is partially true for YS but not H. I do believe that you need above average softs for HYS, but the data seems to show that numbers alone can do the job. Most people who want to transfer are trying to jump up in the rankings or move closer to a family member or job opportunity. Vandy ~25 18. Tagged Law school, Transferring law schools Well, I’m slowly adjusting to my new life as a 2L and as a transfer. Now, the two problematic schools that I know of are GULC and Harvard. Other than your 1L grades, the Dean’s Certificate/Letter is the one thing you have to do that you did not have to do before in your original application process. You can use it to motivate you and even prepare ahead of time (by making good relationships with professors, not taking on extra long commitments/leases, by doing financial aid early, etc). The rest of the application is more of a double check to make sure you are a good student with good ambition. Number of People Transferring into the T14: 1. First, you don’t need to attend a T1 school to have a shot at transferring to one of the T14 law schools. In 2017, 1,797 students transferred law schools after their first year. Some tell the entire faculty to not write recommendations or to discourage students from transferring (making the process of getting LORS extra awkward). The transferring process appears to be even more numbers-based than normal admissions. Like the normal admissions process, the applications are looked at on a rolling basis. This is especially true in this economy, where schools are lacking funds and may be a bit cheaper when it comes to scholarships. Columbia ~45-60 5. Some require you to have a big long talk with the dean. Thus, in a sense, I am really compiling all of the information I have found over the past year. Most schools require your 1L school to send it directly to the prospective transfer school. - top 5-10% at a Top 20 - top 5% at T1 - top 1% at a mid-upper T2 - Other notes: People in the top 1% in the Top 20 generally have a lock on at least one of the holy trinity. Currently on a full-ride scholarship. I also talked about the obvious employment benefits, and spent another paragraph on my interest in potentially seeking a clerkship. When people ask if they should transfer after they have applied and been accepted, it is usually because they get cold feet. I basically listed my old school along with any other school I had an interest in on the FAFSA when I filled it out at that time. I have never heard of doing 2 OCI’s as illegal or against school policy. So, to recap, this is possible and it does happen. In addition, the reputation of your newer school (assuming you made a big enough jump) will be likely better for clerkships and academia than staying at your old school and making law review. Rutgers, Camden ~45 85. Basically, the view is that it is a lot easier to do well at lower ranked schools. If you can, try to do these things as early as possible, perhaps before spring finals kick in. Yes, I waited until my grades came out and THEN decided to transfer. Duke ~12-20 10. All you do is hand the professors the paperwork and they do the writing, right? Chicago also requires you get “consistent” grades throughout the year. Law review. 5. Are you thinking of transferring law schools? However, if you are social person, you will still have friends. They do a spectacular job, which results in much jealousy and further stigma. Early Action Transfers VIII. It is technically pretty simple and there are a gazillion ways to go about doing it. - Because you paid for a year’s worth of tuition and OCI (which starts before 2L year) is “arguably” part of the 1st year since it is based on 1st year grades - Because you are past the interview cancelation deadline and you received your acceptance like 48 hours before the interview - Because employers often pre-select at your old school’s OCI but not your new school’s - Because doing OCI at your old school allows for a better comparison of your grades - Because you HAVE to do interviews somewhere right? Undergrad GPA/LSAT – Likely not, though Harvard says it matters. Is there a transfer stigma and how easy is it to adjust to the new school? Straight A’s at T2/T3/T4 schools are going to be generally impressive and likely in the top 1%. Employers look at your 1L GPA, so my guess is that having a better school on your resume can only increase your chances. I was pretty sure I would do equally well second semester and I was not really interested in Chicago or Georgetown. If it is a geographical preference, the answer is easy. Note that these are just estimates (and really just my guesses) on the rank required to get in. Most professors are also willing to schedule private separate appointments with you. V. Do Softs Matter? Most schools have general instructions that ask you to write about your background and why you want to transfer, so go for it. Can I try out for law review at the new school? That law review invitation just came, along with a beautiful scholarship letter. Make sure you pick a professor who is reliable. Transferring is a difficult and intimidating process. Though the number of law school students has not gone up a lot, the number of people interested in transferring seems to be increasing. The data shows that at least 12 of the T14 law schools admitted transfers from T2 schools. Hopefully, this article will help make it a bit easier. I cannot really help you there, but just use the same methods you did when you wrote your original PS. The one rule in doing this is that you do not bid on or interview with the same firm at the same office twice. Now that you have your first year grades, the predictive values of those two things go down the drain. Cornell ~5-10 according to their website (Law School Numbers says 18), though they only receive about 75 applications every year 14. Ever. I also just do not know whether the economy has any effect on transferring. For some people though, that one year of tuition money saved makes a difference. At the same time, the people at the new school do not want you to interview there either since you are not the typical student who did their 1L year - If you are doing OCI at your old school, you get to interview earlier and before the spots are taken up. What do I do about some epic anti-transferring policies at my old school? - top 10-15% at T1, top 5-10% for CCN - top 5-10% at a T2, top 5% for CCN - top 1-2% at a T3/T4 - Other notes: Depending on how far up you want to transfer, you may even succeed if you are ranked top 20-30%. Lastly, please give your professor a TON of time to do this. Transferring Law Schools . To lateral/transfer down/part to full time at the same school/part to full time at different schools/T3 to T4 (there is really no data on this stuff): - Generally you want to be in the top half to transfer from part to full time, but this totally depends on the school -To transfer down, I would also say you should be in the top half and maybe top 1/3 to be safe - To lateral (i.e. Generally, the better your school is, the lower your ranking can be and vice versa. 4. I personally will acknowledge that this money saving benefit of transferring exists, but is definitely not something I recommend. This does not change if you want to transfer law schools – in fact, it’s just as important for that purpose alone. Most people who do two OCI’s are reasonable in doing so. If you have applied to the law school before, you would obviously have to use new materials. Fordham ~30-40 39. Others just had a bit too much fun in college because...well...it is college. NYU ~45-50 (according to TLS member rayiner, it was cut down to 31 this past year) 6. First of all, do not badmouth them. Second, law schools themselves face a conflict of interest. Go transfer. - only depends on one semester worth of grades, technically allowing you to slack off second semester (though not recommended) - just to repeat and emphasize, you are possibly making up for your mistakes on the LSAT and 4 years of slacking off in college with just one semester of hard work (which actually sounds like a good deal and a much easier path into a good school right?) In fact, most schools know about it and realize that it is a consequence that occurs when they move their OCI up early and before people get their transfer acceptances. The kicker is that GULC has an early action program. The internet has also started to provide more information on how to transfer. I'm thinking about transferring to a top law school, with hopes of entering into Big Law … Now, your competition is obviously tougher, but statistically, you should be fine. Northwestern still likes students who have work experience and such. In case you did not know, some common cons of transferring include: - Giving up your 1st year grades - Giving up your scholarship and paying a lot more for the new school - Giving up Law Review - Giving up some study abroad possibilities - Doing the entire law school application over again and paying the money for the applications - Some transfer stigma - Moving to a new place and losing your old friends - Probably not being able to use your 1L year professors for clerkship recommendations, though this may still be possible. The upcoming break will give you the time you need to get your materials ready and weigh your options. Basically, if you have law school figured out already and do not end up slacking off or something, it is expected that you would do fairly well regardless of where you are. Feel free to email them to double check. The Legendary Yahoo Transfer Apps (you need an account to log in) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transferapps/, -this is probably the best site out there for transfers and has a huge membership count -the message board is hard to view, but has a lot of helpful information (the search function is a bit hard to use though) -the database is probably the best thing ever when it comes to transferring and it is what I keep talking about, please add to it when you are done, Droit Femme transferring blog http://droitfemme.blogspot.com/2006/05/ ... hools.html, Sua Sponte transferring blog http://suasponte.blogspot.com/, TaxProf Blog has some nice transferring data http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... -tran.html, Law School Discussions has a transferring section on their forum http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/stud ... 006.0.html, The amazing PkSebben blog + his Q&A thread (he transfered from Florida to Mich) viewtopic.php?f=11&t=66248 viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62455, Above the Law has an interesting perspective on transfers, feel free to check out the comments for those articles http://abovethelaw.com/transfer_students/, Also, because 1L year depends so much on grades, I wrote a separate article on doing well in law school (with links to other similar articles on doing well in law school) viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77628, Thread here on TLS about transferring Part Time to Full Time at a Different School viewtopic.php?f=3&t=103013. Feel free to tell them the truth, though my guess is that most interviewers will understand if you tell them that it is a career decision. Currently, these are the only schools that have this option. UC Hastings ~15-20 45. *This list is not exhaustive. Thus, it might not be so bad to get a late acceptance (or get off a waitlist) after all. Below, I have tried to list any unusual requirements and this past year’s due dates: 1. Understand that schools are simply trying to do their best, and this includes trying to get their students to stay. This also makes it a lot easier when the time comes for you to actually ask them for an LOR. For example, transfers into UCLA can try out for law review, but there are 30+ transfers and like only around 3 spots saved for their law review. I have met two people personally who have done it and heard of 3 people online who have done it. Other transfer-friendly schools in the T14 include NYU, Columbia, Berkeley, and Michigan. I asked some of my friends who were research assistants for the professors in order to figure out when the professors would be available. By Naz Akbari. The following data is all from 2018 ABA 509 reports. Do you want to be a lawyer? With that said, I do believe URMs get a little boost, but it just does not seem to work the way normal admissions do. Like many people, I was super jealous when I heard about this opportunity since my two schools do OCI in pretty much the same week. In addition, I lived in kind of an upperclassmen undergrad off campus housing and have pretty much integrated smoothly into this new place. Stanford, Berkeley, UVA, and GULC are due on June 15, while the rest have deadlines in July. Pay attention to whether your professor truly loves students (aka you as a person). It is not a good idea to attend a law school assuming you will be able to transfer to another law school later. Here are some obvious answers, but you can, 1) ask for an extension 2) ask the schools you have not heard from to politely “hurry up” and tell them you really want to go there 3) accept at the school but withdraw later (for example, Berkeley requires some integrity but no seat deposit, so perhaps they will understand if you have to accept early but later go to Harvard) 4) just go to Berkeley, Stanford, and GULC because those are good schools already. That’s nearly 5% of the 37,100 students who were 1Ls the previous year. Also, pay attention to the due dates! The majority will usually say yes. Therefore, your first semester grades need to be higher than my guesses above for regular admissions. Talk about class sizes or geographical preferences. Since this site’s name is “Top Law Schools,” I am guessing many people here will consider this backdoor route into, well, the top law schools. If so, know that plenty of law students are in the same boat. Yale and Stanford, for example, are still incredibly hard to predict even with great numbers. I would not spend too much time trying to come up with something super unique. My boyfriend suprised me last week by visiting and it was so great, we had a really good time and I was so so happy he came. Final Words. Why? Obviously, where you want to apply will depend on how much you want to pay (applications still cost $60-$100), where you actually want to go, and whether you can actually get in. Deciding whether to transfer law schools is an incredibly daunting decision that affects the course of your entire life (trust me, I know). If you have not, then I do not see how the law school actually know if you used parts of your old personal statement or something. Many professors work from home during the summer, so they will be harder to find in person. Even if you are at Berkeley and trying to transfer out, they can make a general guess depending on how many HH/H/P’s you have. Personally, I have bonded with several transfers and 1L’s. The downside is of course you could have done your 1L year at a better school, and missed out on all the social activities (or law review) at that better school. The word “transfer” will hold a special place in your mind. For example, at my school (Loyola Law School, Los Angeles), many people want to go to USC or UCLA. Hofstra, due May 15. Thus, I hope to demystify this stressful yet exciting process that plagues the summers of a small group of former 1L’s. As a result, my 2nd semester grades were just as good as my first semester grades. They are not being evil or anything, this is just how business works. IX. This depends on the person and the school. The Application Requirements VII. You might get a medium boost at Northwestern if you had 5+ years of serious work. 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