First coat went on a dream, waited a few days, did second c If you don`t seal the wall then wash down the surface but do not sand the silk until you have applied a coat of matt then fill and sand down the whole surface before you spot prime the filler and apply further coats of matt to the desired finish,or you can seal with a product called gardz on which you can carry out your noral decoration over the top of this,on some occasions you may need to apply 3 coats over the sealer, Jason Gunter Decorating, I've gone on strike! I've painted two coats of matt paint (Homebase) over vinyl silk and then realised it was not a good idea as the matt has cracked like crazy paving. [size=18][b]hi does anyone have any hints on how i can paint over existing silk emulsion, i have a large room where i have removed the wall paper and its backing and left the exposed wall with partly painted walls and some down to the plaster, i have tried to paint over the walls with some new matt paint and it is blistering or leaving a very rough finish. Muted. :jIn order to paint matt over silk paint, firstly you would have to PVA the wall in question. !Have found out too late that matt over silk doesn't work. if its a real pigs ear why not paper over it. There are two ways that you can successfully paint over silk with matt emulsion paint. Then apply your matt paint, usually 2 coats is sufficient but an extra coat is sometimes needed, B Marsh Decorators ltd, 1) Key the surface, meaning, to use materials such as sandpaper, wet-or-dry paper or sanding discs, to smooth down and remove the gloss surface prior to painting. So I've shut the door and called a decorator. I painted vinyl matt over silk and the next morning I noticed some crazing, so from then on I have put a coat of Gardz over silk and never had a problem since. If you enjoyed Silk, please let me know! Providing the walls are clean and dry you can paint straight over silk finish paints with matt finish paint, the adhesion will be fine; I haven't had a problem in the 20 years I've been professionally decorating. When it comes to costs, both matt and silk emulsions have similar prices, so this won’t help you decide which paint is the best. So, put something inflexible over something that moves can cause cracking. What can I do? Two coats of matt paint later and there are lots of spidery cracks. It will go on, it just took three coats! Thank you! Apply this primer to all of the sanded silk surfaces and allow to dry. Notices Welcome to Boards.ie; here are some tips and tricks to help you get started. Silks are more flexible. Yes you can. Jason Gunter Decorating, Bridgend Any idea what I can now do to fix the problem? The cracking happens as the paint is drying and is caused by the silk absorbing a moisture from the matt you're applying on top. Thanks! In doing this, certain elements of the old silk become active, and if you paint straight over it, the new paint will craze( new paint splits given a fine cracked effect) Yes you can. Do I have to use oilbased over it or can I use a different knid of paint? Yes it is possible ,there are a few of ways to do that : I’ve used loads of different makes of caulking and it always ends up the same. Two coats of matt paint later and there are lots of spidery cracks. This is page 1 of 1 (This thread has 5 messages.). One product, no incompatability issues. Clean the vinyl silk surface with a grease-cutting cleaning solution and apply a matt finish primer before painting to achieve an excellent finish. B Marsh Decorators ltd, Grimsby Had enough of my family. But first I would cover the walls with a base of white Matt emulsion, this will give a better base for your light coloured emulsion paint. The first one is the hardest, as you may find the roller just 'slides' over the wall. To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account. Daft person that I am, didn't sand down the silk walls before putting Matt over them. First of all, use some materials such as sandpaper, wet or dry or sanding discs, to smooth the surface and remove the gloss paint before painting after that use Zinsser primer before putting the final coat. There's a paint you can get which covers up problem surfaces and also fills minor cracks, can't remember the name ATM, but I'll look in the garage later, it worked for me over some horrible shiny paint which new paint didn't stick to. It is the perfect paint to use in areas of high traffic or areas subject to high levels of condensation. If the walls were previously painted then go ahead will your silk paint. I’ve found this problem every time I have painted over caulking with vinyl matt emulsion. )Or paper it, or plain paper and paint that. If you don’t fill the crazing/cracks afterwards, especially up against the skirting then the cracks fill with dust which makes the joint look horrible and dirty in no time. and that's when I found out I had made a rookie error... Or you could just go to town sanding and take off all the silk paint. Art shared with Silk is licensed under Creative Commons. Once you have considered step 1-3 you are likely to have narrowed your paint options down. Silk paint highlights imperfections and you will either have to see them regularly or learn how to prepare the surface properly. Brush Finish, When it happens it looks kind of like a crackle glaze. If you are painting a kitchen or bathroom then the ceiling should really be a silk emulsion as it stands up to the moisture generated better better than Matt. If the colour change is substantial then I would recommend using matt until the old colour is gone, and then two coats of silk. 8 Questions Answered. As an alternative ( haven’t tried yet but is being recommended by other painters ) is to apply a coat of zinsser Gardz as a base coat.I hope this helps, A-Team Painting & Decorating, Yes, you can. Silk was made by Yuri Vishnevsky, with music and sound crafted by Mat Jarvis. Thorough preparation is an essential first step before painting over vinyl silk paintwork, especially in areas such as kitchens where grease and grime may have accumulated on the paintwork over time. beware some papers shrink when they dry, some dont some vinyl trap air bubbles, others dont. You'll need at least two coats as the first tends to soak in and you won't get a completely smooth finish, also worth diluting by about 10% which will help reduce roller marks. Warning: You're currently on an iOS device, click the App sanding a silk down to a matt finish sounds like a recipe for an uneven finish. I don't like the idea of using Gardze on shiny surfaces didn't think it was possible. fitzy wrote:I've painted matt over silk many times in the past without any snags. The first one is the hardest, as you may find the roller just 'slides' over the wall. Verified by Expert Trades is a free service for homeowners and trades professionals Even if you do manage to cover it, the … In order to make your final choice it may help to review the benefits that the paint provides. I painted over the dark brown vinyl silk paint on our hall/stairs/landing with magnolia matt paint. I painted vinyl matt over silk and the next morning I noticed some crazing, so from then on I have put a coat of Gardz over silk and never had a problem since. Answered. Both paints are excellent and ultimately, it all depends on your purpose. We sanded them and scrubbed clean. Although, to ensure a quality finish I always sand lightly between coats to remove any imperfections. To overcome this problem, a suitable primer is necessary which is called Zinsser Gardz. ... or finish the silk coat and then put a matt one over the top. For the rest of the house Matt looks bette. Previous owners painted a whole room in dark shiny purple. First of all, use some materials such as sandpaper, wet or dry or sanding discs, to smooth the surface and remove the gloss paint before painting after that use Zinsser primer before putting the final coat. Note — Silk has sound. As this is a children's bedroom I would suggest that you get a vinyl silk emulsion (silk emulsion is wipe-able with a damp cloth) as the paint to go over the walls where you have painted them white. i have painted matt over silk with no problem. Mute? I'm now paranoid [emoji15] Sent from my SM-G850F using Tapatalk I have always gone over silk with a coat of soft sheen with a light rub down first to bring it down one, then on with your chosen matt no probs. The problem that i have is that the paint on the wall is a silk finnish , i have applied a matt emulsion over the silk only for the matt to run off the wall. The primer will adhere well to the existing vinyl silk paintwork and help the new paint layers to stick to the surface. Press Space to start anew. The colour and finish you have selected may be available in two paint types, for example Wall & Ceiling Matt Paint and Washable Matt, of which each provide different benefits, It is also easier to wipe over. To use this feature subscribe to Mumsnet Premium - get first access to new features see fewer ads, and support Mumsnet. Enter your mobile number below and we'll send the download link straight to your phone. 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